{"id":23533,"date":"2013-06-24T01:00:22","date_gmt":"2013-06-24T08:00:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/?p=23533"},"modified":"2013-06-24T21:53:52","modified_gmt":"2013-06-25T04:53:52","slug":"haswell-for-the-desktop","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/2013\/06\/24\/haswell-for-the-desktop\/","title":{"rendered":"Haswell for the desktop"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i>Does it make sense to upgrade?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>I asked my computer builder FU Steve to pen a few words on upgrades of Intel  CPUs in Hackintosh machines.<\/p>\n<p><center>* * * * *<\/center><\/p>\n<p>AnandTech just ran an interesting piece on a high-end PC equipped with an overclocked Intel i7 Haswell CPU, the CPU which obsoletes the current Ivy Bridge.  They use a very high-end ($700+) graphics card which muddies the waters somewhat, but their conclusions regarding the new CPU are clear.<\/p>\n<p><center><a href=http:\/\/www.anandtech.com\/show\/7098\/haswell-and-gk110-in-the-wild-digitalstorm-virtue-system-review target=_blank><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.pindelski.org\/Blog\/Haswell_desktop.jpg\" width=\"697\" height=\"589\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<i>Click the picture to read the full review.<\/i><\/center><\/p>\n<p>AnandTech&#8217;s expert has written a fine no-punches-pulled review.  It&#8217;s a site I like to visit for hard-core analysis compared with the likes of Gizmodo or TechCrunch which mostly seem to uncritically repeat press releases accompanied by puerile writing.<\/p>\n<p>Haswell comes in many flavors (I count over 60 on Intel&#8217;s excellent site) but maybe a key comparison is between the i5 mobile version found in the 2013 MacBook Air and the overclocked i7 in the machine reviewed by AnandTech.  <a href=http:\/\/ark.intel.com\/compare\/75028,75122 target=_blank>Here<\/a> is the comparison from Intel&#8217;s site, and I have extracted a section below:<\/p>\n<p><center><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.pindelski.org\/Blog\/Haswells_compared.jpg\" width=\"508\" height=\"529\" alt=\"\" \/><\/center><\/p>\n<p>Apart from the speed differences, the desktop Haswells can support 32GB of RAM, compared with a maximum of 16GB for the mobile i5, so for heavy-duty video processing, the desktop version may make sense offering higher CPU speed as well as doubled maximum memory support.<\/p>\n<p>As I wrote earlier, the <a href=http:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/2013\/06\/20\/macbook-air-2013-part-ii\/ target=_blank>2013 MacBook Air<\/a> is a significant improvement over even the 2012 model, with doubled battery life and 30% faster graphics, making even so early an upgrade seem like common sense.  But what about the Hackintosh?<\/p>\n<p>AnandTech&#8217;s review, above, concludes that the gains in CPU performance are negligible in moving from Ivy Bridge to Haswell.  The low 70 watt idle power consumption is hardly a reason to upgrade; Thomas&#8217;s  HP100+ idles at 100 watts, and that includes a pair of HDDs, a pair of SSDs, a GTX660 GPU, 16GB of RAM, a wi-fi card, a Z68 motherbooard and five fans.  30 watts saved is irrelevant.  You will never recover the cost.<\/p>\n<p>Most Hackintosh users have one of Core2Duo\/Core2Quad (2010 and prior), Sandy Bridge (2011) or IvyBridge (2012) CPUs in their machines.  Here are my thoughts on the wisdom of upgrading.<\/p>\n<p><b>Intel Atom:<\/b>  Commonly found in hacked netbooks. Upgrade immediately.  Way too slow for modern CPU-intensive applications.<\/p>\n<p><b>Core2Duo\/Core2Quad:<\/b> Thomas&#8217;s current Hack started with a Q9550 Core 2Quad, 2.83GHz stock, which I overclocked to 3.6GHz.  An upgrade to anything later makes sense, doubling CPU speed.  You will need a new motherboard, new, faster memory and a new CPU.  It makes sense to jump right to Haswell as it&#8217;s the current design.  The cheaper i5 is fine for all but heavy video processing, and 8GB is more than adequate.  There&#8217;s no need to overclock (i5 or i7 with the &#8216;K&#8217; suffix in the model number can be overclocked and run a few dollars more) unless you are into intense video processing.<\/p>\n<p>For video consider the i7 and 32GB of RAM. For regular still photography processing, no separate GPU is needed, a substantial saving.  Just use the integrated HD4600 which comes with the i5 and i7 versions of the CPU.  <\/p>\n<p>Used Intel CPUs retain remarkable resale values.  There is still strong demand for the Core2Quad and in fact, I sold mine 2 years ago for more than it cost new!  Newer graphics boards also make sense. Used ones have little value.  The still photographer gets best price\/benefit from something like an nVidia GTX 660 (which Thomas now uses) though for most even something as inexpensive as a used 9800GT will be fine.  Easily found for $30. The videographer should go with a GTX660ti or GTX680.  The latest GTX7xx cards are too bleeding edge to be a safe choice.<\/p>\n<p><b>Sandy Bridge:<\/b> No upgrade needed.  Ivy Bridge does not offer enough advantage, though you can apply a BIOS update to most Gigabyte motherboards which will permit the use of Ivy Bridge on a Sandy Bridge motherboard as both use the same socket.  If you want more CPU speed consider upgrading an i3 to an i5 or an i5 to an i7 for a 50% speed increase from each step.  Used Intel CPUs retain remarkable resale values.  Sandy Bridge desktop CPUs can support up to 32Gb of RAM.<\/p>\n<p><b>Ivy Bridge:<\/b>  Upgrading to Haswell makes no sense.  You need a new motherboard and CPU for negligible benefits.  Ivy Bridge desktop CPUs can support up to 32Gb of RAM. <\/p>\n<p><center>* * * * *<\/center><\/p>\n<p>Thank you, FU.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Does it make sense to upgrade? I asked my computer builder FU Steve to pen a few words on upgrades of Intel CPUs in Hackintosh machines. * * * * * AnandTech just ran an interesting piece on a high-end PC equipped with an overclocked Intel i7 Haswell CPU, the CPU which obsoletes the current &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/2013\/06\/24\/haswell-for-the-desktop\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Haswell for the desktop<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-23533","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-hackintosh"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23533","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=23533"}],"version-history":[{"count":14,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23533\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23565,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23533\/revisions\/23565"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=23533"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=23533"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/pindelski.org\/Photography\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=23533"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}